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As of 1 Aug my index dropped to 7.5 when I posted the score representing my (former) final goal in golf. Shooting my age was something I thought might take a little more time, but yesterday I had a 70 (matching my age) and was the first ever sub-par round in my golfing "career". Now I have to make up some new goals. Shooting in the 60's comes to mind.
Anyway, call me a walking advertisement to Swing Like Moe and the Graves Golf Academy. I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks.
Actually, Going to the three day school did a great job of confirming the things that I had gotten right from the "Seven Principles" and the "Troubles & Solutions" and then tweaking the things I needed a little help with. It has paid off much greater than I could have expected.
Thanks again to you, Todd and Tim. |
| -Charlie F. - Colonial Heights, VA |
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This July while driving home after a particularly frustrating round of golf and weighing my options I decided that if there was a cancellation in the Kitchener school, which was only 10 days away, I would scrape the money together & attend. (Kitchener being only 3 hours away and having relatives that I could stay at in Mississauga a 1 hour drive to Kitchener).
When I opened my E-mail that same night there was a message from Scott advising that 1 opening still remained for the Kitchener school and I filled the spot.
Was it worth it …..oh yes. Despite having all the video instruction and the training club, despite video taping my swing and analyzing my errors I was unable to catch the subtle little things that make the difference. Of course I had my trail arm ‘sunny side up” –but not enough. My shoulder line was not closed. My vertical tilt was insufficient etc.
Did these changes make a difference? At the school I hit the straightest, longest drives of my life. In fact the chronic slicer was getting instruction from Brent on how to cut back my draw. Is my slice gone forever, definitely not, learning new habits take time, but I now have the tools and knowledge to continue improving.
Graves’s academy is more than a swing school. You are introduced to all aspects of the game. Warm up, practice, shot making, mental attitude, course management etc.
Purchasing the Grave’s DVD’s et al is a great first step and excellent resource material but if you game has stalled then please, please do yourself a favor and go to school. You won’t regret it.
PS. I now know why so many of the school students were alumni. Now if I could just swing a 5 day build you game session. |
| -Wayne C. - Britt, Ontario, Canada |
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I can’t thank you enough for the enjoyable and educational three days. It is always good to see you all (I’m starting to talk like I’m from Oklahoma). I had a great time. I have lots of things to work on. Next time you see my swing, it will be better and a step closer to Moe’s.
It is interesting to work through the process of learning a new swing. I like change, because change is always good. I like Tim’s concept of establishing new habits versus changing old habits. It amazes me how much there is to learn about Moe’s swing. I am a student and I am always learning.
I have noticed over the last three years of attending camps and schools and owning and studying all of your DVDs; you are getting better at teaching the swing. You were/are always very good at teaching the swing, but every time I attend a school you are better. I believe that is because of two things; I am becoming a better student and you are becoming better teachers. I want to emphasize and be clear, you were very good teachers before, but you still are getting better.
The DVDs are very helpful but there is no substitution for hands on/in person instruction. I feel very fortunate that I have the resources to get the instruction. I always leave school with a clearer understanding of Moe’s swing concepts. I return home and work through all of the DVDs with the new understanding and I recover more treasures from them. I was obviously naïve when I went to my first 5-day camp in 2005. I can remember thinking that this was my one and only chance to get the swing down. I felt a lot of pressure to grasp it all. No way did that happen, or could it happen. I remember Tim telling us to keep an open mind. The last two times I have attended school I arrived with a list of questions, but I came with an open mind and told myself I am a sponge and I am here to absorb as much as possible. I have learned concepts this year and last that would have been impossible for me to grasp two years ago.
Initially when I decided to make changes to my swing I set a five year time limit. I took up golf when I was 14 years old. I played on a high school team and was fortunate enough to play on a college team. The swing I had by the time I went to college took three years to create. So I thought five years was a fair time frame. I no longer have a time limit. Todd’s response to a June 10th message about “how long does it take” was “magical” for me. As Todd said, attitude is the key (“Do whatever it takes, as long as it takes”, enjoy the journey). I am committed and I know it will be hard, but it’s not worth it if it isn’t (If it wasn’t hard, then everyone would be doing it). I keep that forum reply in my pocket at all times (I will have to print it off again, as the original is tattered and torn). |
| -Bill A. - Anchorage, AK |
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When I got back from Oklahoma City I knew my buddies were planning a golf day on the next Thursday so I thought I better get out and practice. So I went out Monday night for an hour after dark (a lighted range) then on Tuesday I spent 2.5 hours, ½ hour on full swing and the rest on putting, chipping and sand shots. I had to rest on Wednesday. My play on Thursday had some interesting results no doubt from practice.
Now let me explain, I only shot a 94 and that was not a great score for me as my “new swing” was not ready for prime time and I did not hit many good shots but the ones I did were great. Now one of my drives was 285 yards (ok so it was a little down hill and down wind) I’ll take anything I can get. That was the new swing! It was working. I have more work to do. The short game was what saved me from shooting 110! That round I had all 2 puts and two one puts! The one puts were because of two great sand shots! I marked all my balls with the “T” and practiced with it and the string. The moral of that round was the other side of the class that Tim and Todd emphasized so many times that the scoring is done inside 60 yards. That saved my game that day. Now I went out that day without great expectations on the new single plane swing as I knew it was going to take some time but I worked on the short game and it gave me the confidence that more improvement was to come. My new clubs have arrived and I am looking forward to getting out with them. Latter that evening I had a message on my answering machine from one of my playing partners complementing me on the improvement in my swing and that school really working for me. (A future student?) |
| -Don O. - Lexana, KS |
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I wish to convey to you, Todd and Tim how much I enjoyed the recent school. It really was an outstanding experience. I will be attending other sessions with your staff and I am extremely comfortable in recommending your school to others.
This has not been the best of years for me, but the time spent with you all really recharged my batteries. Again, thanks to all of you for your help. I will let you know how the game progresses. |
| -Harvey L. - Philadelphia, PA |
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Just thought I'd let you know that on the second day of the Graves Grips on my Adams clubs, I had a hole in one (125 yd 9 iron). The fit and feel are great. Better than what came on the clubs.
Another benefit (perhaps) is that I was 9 yards longer on my drives. Coincidence or holding the club more correctly? I'd like to think the latter. I would like to order six more grips and maybe I can convince my wife and sons of the benefits of Swing Like Moe. |
| -Charlie F. - Colonial Heights, VA |
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| I just received the GGA grips. I installed them on my clubs and "oh my goodness". I feel like the guy on the golf commercial this past summer. I am going to quit my job and go pro. Then the same announcer guy on the commercial says the same thing to me" Easy big fella, I know those grips are the bomb, but the guys on tour will hand you your lunch." So I guess I won't go pro, but these grips are worth there weight in gold! I will be ordering more next week to install on the rest of my clubs. |
| -Paul T. - McDonough, GA |
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4 years ago I saw Moe on the Golf Channel, bought all of the you know what items and schools. then one day a friend of mind told me about the Graves chat room. toke a lesson in 2003 and 2004 in Indiana. In May of 2005 went to OK to a 5 day build a camp. This camp is the best thing I've every done in my life. (will go back for more lessons). When I first got back from school played very well, but after about 2 weeks things started to go the other way, was not practicing correctly thought I new everything. But the one thing that got me back on track was that I was keeping status. Started checking my status to see where I needed to work on my game and to my surprise it was not where I thought it was. When I went to OK my hdcp. was 19, now I am a 15, from the 15th of May to June 29th I played 26 rounds, then my mother became very ill and I did not play for 13 days but during that time I did have a lot of time to view the DVD's which helped a lot and also reread my notes from the 5 day camp. In the last 10 days day I have had rounds of 79-86-83-82. The 82 was today. Hit 8 fairways, 10 greens (10 birdie putts) made 1, and 35 putts not my best.
As of today my statis are (FW 45%. GR 21% and Putts 33.24). When you look at where you should be it does not look good, but now I understand what to look at. Today when I shoot 82 I hit 53% of the fairways ,55% of the greens and had 35 putts. the 79 I had last week was my best round to date. could have tied that today if I had not taken a 8 on the last par 5. But today felt Moe's vertical drop, had the best drives I have ever had 277 and 258, before I went to the 5 day camp my best drives 195 to 205. |
| -Gary B. - St. Henry, OH |
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| Looks like my attendance at the February 2005 training course in Orlando is paying off. I scored an 86 last week. My goal was to break 100 which I now do on a regular basis. |
| -Stan S. - North Carolina |
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I wanted to pass along that the most recent school here in Chicago was a great experience, as always, and I’d also like to tell everyone who has yet to attend a GGA school how much they are missing. I have been to a total of four different schools including two of the three-day schools, one build-your-game camp and an alumni school in the last two years. I can honestly say that not only am I playing better golf, I’m having more fun playing (and practicing, too) because I understand the game so much better. I learn more and more each time I attend and that’s why I’ll continue to come back. The other great thing is that all the schools have been a lot of fun. What could be better? The reason the schools are such an all around success is without question the staff of instructors. In addition to Todd and Tim, Brent has really proven to be a quality instructor with a great eye for the swing and a great personality and attitude. Most recently Clayton was on board for the Chicago school and he was also a really good instructor and a great person to be around. Not only are all the instructors knowledgeable, they are really good teachers. I’d encourage anyone who has not attended a school to make an effort to do so. I’m already looking forward to my next one. Thanks again to everyone at the GGA for another great time and I look forward to seeing you all again very soon. |
| -Ben P. - Chicago, IL |
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Just want to pass along my progress since attending your 3-day school in April. As I’ve mentioned to you, I’ve attended a number of conventional and single-axis golf schools since I started charting the progress of my handicap back in 1999. The sad truth of the matter is that after getting my USGA index down to a 9.6 in mid-2005, I saw it steadily climb to almost a 12 by the beginning of 2007. My scoring average has been sitting at 89 strokes per round for as long as I can remember. And, while I could occasionally shoot in the low 80’s, it’s was not uncommon for me to follow it up with a round in the high 90’s. It was extremely frustrating!
By the beginning of this year I was totally demoralized. I had no idea which direction any shot I hit was going. It wasn’t unusual for me to play a round and not hit a single fairway or green in regulation. To make matters even worse, my lower back was starting to kill me after playing 18 holes. I had pretty much decided that as I approached my 50th birthday this year, I was going to have to give up the game I had loved, but had eluded me since I was a kid. Strangely enough, that was about the time I re-read Turk Pipkin’s “The Old Man And The Tee” and it inspired me to give the game one more chance.
I had some limited success with other single-axis methods in the past, so after much research I decided that given Todd’s reputation, the Graves Golf Academy was going to be my last hope. The school this April in Oklahoma City was awesome despite the bad weather. But more importantly, the depth and breath of the information provided by the GGA on the website and on the DVD’s is head-and-shoulders above any other single-axis method being taught.
To try to make a long story short, I struggled a bit after the school. My USGA index climbed to just over a 15. I wasn’t concerned because I fully expected things to get worse before they got better. In the last few weeks, things have really started to click. I attribute it mainly to:
. A lot of video analysis.
. Watching Todd on the DVD’s over and over.
. Feedback Todd & Tim provide on the forum.
. Tim’s short game instruction during the 3-day school.
. Ordering clubs from Tim that fit!!
Last week, after an epiphany around the non-rotational movement of the trail arm, I really started hitting the ball solid and straight. Today, I played my home course from the back tees where my scoring average over the last year and a half has been almost 88 strokes. I shot a solid: 78
. Out 38/ In 40
. 8 fairways, 8 greens in regulation, 31 putts.
. 12 pars, 6 bogeys, up and down almost 50%.
I got so nervous as I realized the round I was shooting I could barely hold the putter, I was shaking so bad.. I missed 4 putts inside of 3 feet coming in. This is only the second time in my life I’ve broken 80, and the first time since 2003. I can’t thank you guys enough for restoring my love for this game and introducing me to Moe’s swing that I firmly believe is a swing that will hold up for the rest of my life. Plus, no back pain since switching from conventional golf.
Keep up the good work and I can’t wait to attend my first alumni class. |
| -Frank R. - San Antonio, TX |
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